#410: Ryan Holiday — Turning the Tables
The Tim Ferriss Show
<p><strong>Ryan Holiday — Turning the Tables</strong> | Brought to you by <a href="https://linkedin.com/Tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>LinkedIn Jobs</strong></a><strong> </strong>and <a href="http://99designs.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong>99designs</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>Welcome to <a href="http://tim.blog/podcast?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Tim Ferriss Show</em></a>! It is — usually — my job to sit down with world-class performers of all different types to tease out the habits, routines, favorite books, and so on that you can apply and test in your own life. This time we have a "turning the tables" episode. What does that mean? Well, I will not be the one doing the interviewing. Instead, I will be the one being interviewed by my friend, Ryan Holiday.</p><p>So who is this Ryan fella?</p><p><strong>Ryan Holiday</strong> (<a href="https://twitter.com/ryanholiday" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">TW</a>/<a href="https://www.instagram.com/ryanholiday/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">IG</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanholiday" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@RyanHoliday</a>) is one of the world's foremost thinkers and writers on ancient philosophy and its place in modern life. He is a sought-after speaker and strategist and the author of many bestselling books, including <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Obstacle-Way-Timeless-Turning-Triumph/dp/B00K5JUNSU/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Obstacle Is the Way</em></a>, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Tim-Ferriss-Audio-Ego-Enemy/dp/B01GSIZ9EY/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>Ego Is the Enemy</em></a>, and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Daily-Stoic-Meditations-Wisdom-Perseverance/dp/B01MA32SO0/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><em>The Daily Stoic</em></a>. His books have been translated into more than 30 languages and have sold more than two million copies worldwide. He lives with his family outside of Austin, Texas. You can subscribe to receive his writing at <a href="https://ryanholiday.net/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">RyanHoliday.net</a> and <a href="https://dailystoic.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">DailyStoic.com</a>. Ryan was also <a href="https://tim.blog/2014/05/06/the-tim-ferriss-podcast-episode-4-ryan-holiday/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">the fourth-ever guest</a> on the podcast in the very beginning, and he has written multiple <a href="https://tim.blog/2009/04/13/stoicism-101-a-practical-guide-for-entrepreneurs/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">popular guest posts</a> for my blog, which you can find at tim.blog.</p><p>His latest book is <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Stillness-Key-Ryan-Holiday/dp/0525538585/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"><strong><em>Stillness Is the Key</em></strong></a><strong>,</strong> which was an instant #1 <em>New York Times</em> bestseller and <em>Wall Street Journal</em> bestseller.</p><p>I also recommend checking out the interview on YouTube, if you like, as I made sure to have video from multiple angles for this episode. 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